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Pete

Delighted to see the new posts... I always learn from your perspectives

Ali

Post #26 (you didn't put your name in),I got a bit of bullying for ya.When the facts are not on your side you talk about blliues . You talk about how we think that we have all the answers well I do have better answers than the environmental movement has had in the last 20 years. The lawsuits by the Center for Biological Diversity have created a set of rules and cannots for the forest service over the last 2 decades. When they win the court case or cause years of delay we have seen what happens to the forest (including the 3 years of delay in thinning before the Rodeo fire -the very arces that burned in the Rodeo fire were to be thinned.) When they lose court cases and thinning occurs then we see what happens (yes they joined the discussion after they lost the suit to stop thinning, then they promptly did what they could to slow it. I can come up with a plan to thin the forest quicker than they came up with except it involves profit for a logging company.) Sorry Comrade that is just how we get things done in the United States of America. Except when the center delays or stops it. You seem to think it is arrogant to talk facts and outcomes based on evidence. The center has put out bogus reports about grazing site overlays and such they of course never mentioned that many of those lease acres are not used due to overgrown forests situations. Those overgrown forests were caused by the center's lawsuits. We are no longer going to listen to your double speak #26. The facts show you to be wrong. It is not arrogance to say so. The center has been fighting a war against logging and all commercial interests in the forest. They have won at the cost of the forest itself. I would ask all middle of the road people who thought the center was looking out for the forest ..how has that worked out for more than a million acres of forest in northern Arizona over the last 2 decades? Ok wackos let the spin begin. Please explain to me how it was all the cowboys fault. Explain to me how it was all the logging communities fault. Explain to me how it is the forest service fault. Explain to me how it is my fault. Explain to me how it is everyone's fault except the Center and all their wacko friends.If you lost property in this fire may I kindly suggest a lawsuit against the center for biological diversity. We should put them out of business using the same tactics they developed. If not for your property then for the real future safety of the forest and all the creatures in it. I have cause to feel anger at those people who for over 20 years talked the loudest about saving the forest yet continue to do everything they can to insure it burns to the ground. All so some rancher or logger does not make any money. Then they have the balls to blame eveyone else. No, blaming them is what we all need to do. You who have supported the center and their activities have cause to feel shame over what has gone on the last 2 decades. Of course while #26 calls me a bully he sure as hell will not feel any shame. To easy to blame someone else. We need to come together and find solutions to the forest problems. We also need to come together and throw the center out of the discussion. They started losing in court after the Rodeo fire. They will continue to lose in court more and more now. The hunting, ranching and logging communities need to come together and fight these fools once and for all. The center has been fighting a war against us and the forest for decades. We have been too wrapped up in our jobs and feeding our families to acually notice the war. We need to go to war against them. Not just say nice things about getting along. No . We do not need to just get along. We need to fight the war and win for everything we love. If not .. your grand children will be arguing with these wackos grandchildren about how the forest burned down (again.)

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